My great grandmother's family were poor workers in the black country of England. They worked in the mines and in the factories that produced glass. They went to the same churches as their ancestors. To see how little they moved.
Comments, thoughts, and research pertaining to my family in particular, and genealogy in general
Tuesday, March 22, 2016
The Old Carroll Trace and Choctaw Missions
Here is another map I made. First I took locations from an article found in Carroll County genweb. Then I tried to place the Choctaw Missionary schools and some other points of interest that I knew for my Choctaw families.
Panhandle roots
I often joke I am related to half of the county when I speak of Escambia or Santa Rosa. It really isn't that far off though it seems at times. Right now I am working on figuring out a few connections that I hope to blog about later this week. I am a visual person. So I made myself a map. It has landmarks for cemeteries, land locations, and places where my father's family has lived. Thought I would share it.
Sunday, March 6, 2016
My great great grandmother was NOT an indian princess
I owe my genealogy addiction to my grandfather's grandmother. To be more direct, it was wanting to figure out more about her that led me down this path. My grandfather wasn't a man of many words, but throughout my childhood I heard tales of his Indian grandmother, Margaret Adams. I think after reading the letters of her daughter, and speaking to them, and various cousins, my grandfather took a lot of Margaret with him in his life.
Like so many of his generations, especially the Choctaws I have been able to speak with, Pop didn't talk much about his family, or growing up. The child of an alcoholic mother, his childhood lacked any stability with the lone exception of his grandmother. Though he felt much, he really didn't show it all that much. Social, he wasn't a big talker, he left that to my grandmother. He believed in hard work, and loved to share the rewards with his family.
Margaret Trahern Adams was the second child of Robert H. Trahern "Bully" and his wife Cornelia Gardner. When she was 11 her mother died, and I suspect that though she had an education, it ended shortly after her mother's death. She helped raise her younger siblings along with her sister Admona "Addie". Her father, along I suspect, with his two brothers, often was on the shady side of the law, bootlegging into the Choctaw nation.
Though the Trahern's had been a prominent, Pop didn't appear to have ever heard stories of the family, but it is evident that Margaret didn't forget. Among the Choctaw there existed a tradition, if names were after family at all, they were after the mother's side of the family. Margaret named her first son Curtis Hall Adams, after her maternal grandmother, Sarah Hall. I suspect the H in her father's name was for Hall as well. James Arthur Adams, was named after her paternal grandfather, James Trahern, his middle name was his father's. Samuel Jefferson Adams I suspect was named for her maternal grandfather, Samuel Gardner, though I haven't been able to prove that.
Yes, Margaret knew who her family was. And likely, she knew that her grandfather had been a prominent Choctaw judge who served in the Choctaw government, as did her Uncle's James and Lysander Trahern. She may have even known that her grandfather had attended the Choctaw Academy. Or that her grandmother was a first cousin to Tandy Walker, a Choctaw Chief (called Governor) during the Civil War. Or that her grandmother's brother Robert J. Hall had been one of the first Choctaws who went to college, and was killed along with two brothers by slaves in an uprising in 1861.
By the time Margaret was born the Civil War had broken the finances of her family. While never to the scale of his half sister Eliza Ann Flack, or his half cousin, Robert M. Jones, James N. Trahern was among the prominent Choctaw elite. The great nephew of Chief Pushmataha, he married a great niece of Chief Mushulatubbee. Like his half brothers Pierre and William Juzan, and his cousins, James L. McDonald, Robert M. Jones, David Mackey, and his wife's cousin Peter Pitchylnn, he was sent to Scott, Kentucky to attend the Choctaw Academy. He returned to the Choctaw nation and began life as a clerk in the court at Skullyville, eventually becoming the Judge. He was connected by blood and then marriage to some of the most prominent Choctaws of his time.
Even if Margaret knew all this, she wouldn't have spoken about it. That was not the way of the Choctaws of the Dawes roll. Like many of her fellow Choctaws, within 12 years Margaret's allotment had been lost, as had the allotments of her children, through actions and poor decisions made by her husband Jason. Even among those who had been at the top of Choctaw Society, the Dawes act broke apart the lives of so many of it's people. The battle to survive day to day, in a world of poverty, prejudice and obstacles left many Choctaws too poor to do anything but survive. Margaret's children left home in their early teens, told they had to work to support the family, many of them felt if they had to work they would rather support themselves alone.
It didn't matter to Margaret who her family had been. What mattered was who her family was. Her children and grandchildren I know adored her. Stern, taciturn, a strict disciplinarian, it would be easy to look at her and say she wasn't what today we considered to be a loving mother. Yet when her daughter's went to visit their brother, she stayed up and stitched them new dresses out of sack cloth to wear. She lovingly made the funeral clothes and lined the coffin her husband had made when her two children died as infants. She took in three of her grandsons when her daughters weren't taking care of them. She may not have said a lot, but her love was always apparent.
It seems popular today to be able to claim Native American ancestry. So many claim to link themselves to more well known Native American's, with little more than innuendo and legends, with no paper trail. Too many claim to descend from an Indian princess, and then are disappointed when their DNA doesn't show it. And while I still have more I can always learn, after 15 years, I know a lot about my Choctaw relatives. Their stories sadden me, inspire me, and make me proud. There is no royalty in my heritage, but there was an elite class among the Choctaws, and I have the honor and privilege to descend from it. Yet, I suspect if you were to be able to ask Margaret today, she would huff, and say, she was no Indian Princess. She was Choctaw.
Like so many of his generations, especially the Choctaws I have been able to speak with, Pop didn't talk much about his family, or growing up. The child of an alcoholic mother, his childhood lacked any stability with the lone exception of his grandmother. Though he felt much, he really didn't show it all that much. Social, he wasn't a big talker, he left that to my grandmother. He believed in hard work, and loved to share the rewards with his family.
Margaret Trahern Adams was the second child of Robert H. Trahern "Bully" and his wife Cornelia Gardner. When she was 11 her mother died, and I suspect that though she had an education, it ended shortly after her mother's death. She helped raise her younger siblings along with her sister Admona "Addie". Her father, along I suspect, with his two brothers, often was on the shady side of the law, bootlegging into the Choctaw nation.
Though the Trahern's had been a prominent, Pop didn't appear to have ever heard stories of the family, but it is evident that Margaret didn't forget. Among the Choctaw there existed a tradition, if names were after family at all, they were after the mother's side of the family. Margaret named her first son Curtis Hall Adams, after her maternal grandmother, Sarah Hall. I suspect the H in her father's name was for Hall as well. James Arthur Adams, was named after her paternal grandfather, James Trahern, his middle name was his father's. Samuel Jefferson Adams I suspect was named for her maternal grandfather, Samuel Gardner, though I haven't been able to prove that.
Yes, Margaret knew who her family was. And likely, she knew that her grandfather had been a prominent Choctaw judge who served in the Choctaw government, as did her Uncle's James and Lysander Trahern. She may have even known that her grandfather had attended the Choctaw Academy. Or that her grandmother was a first cousin to Tandy Walker, a Choctaw Chief (called Governor) during the Civil War. Or that her grandmother's brother Robert J. Hall had been one of the first Choctaws who went to college, and was killed along with two brothers by slaves in an uprising in 1861.
By the time Margaret was born the Civil War had broken the finances of her family. While never to the scale of his half sister Eliza Ann Flack, or his half cousin, Robert M. Jones, James N. Trahern was among the prominent Choctaw elite. The great nephew of Chief Pushmataha, he married a great niece of Chief Mushulatubbee. Like his half brothers Pierre and William Juzan, and his cousins, James L. McDonald, Robert M. Jones, David Mackey, and his wife's cousin Peter Pitchylnn, he was sent to Scott, Kentucky to attend the Choctaw Academy. He returned to the Choctaw nation and began life as a clerk in the court at Skullyville, eventually becoming the Judge. He was connected by blood and then marriage to some of the most prominent Choctaws of his time.
Even if Margaret knew all this, she wouldn't have spoken about it. That was not the way of the Choctaws of the Dawes roll. Like many of her fellow Choctaws, within 12 years Margaret's allotment had been lost, as had the allotments of her children, through actions and poor decisions made by her husband Jason. Even among those who had been at the top of Choctaw Society, the Dawes act broke apart the lives of so many of it's people. The battle to survive day to day, in a world of poverty, prejudice and obstacles left many Choctaws too poor to do anything but survive. Margaret's children left home in their early teens, told they had to work to support the family, many of them felt if they had to work they would rather support themselves alone.
It didn't matter to Margaret who her family had been. What mattered was who her family was. Her children and grandchildren I know adored her. Stern, taciturn, a strict disciplinarian, it would be easy to look at her and say she wasn't what today we considered to be a loving mother. Yet when her daughter's went to visit their brother, she stayed up and stitched them new dresses out of sack cloth to wear. She lovingly made the funeral clothes and lined the coffin her husband had made when her two children died as infants. She took in three of her grandsons when her daughters weren't taking care of them. She may not have said a lot, but her love was always apparent.
It seems popular today to be able to claim Native American ancestry. So many claim to link themselves to more well known Native American's, with little more than innuendo and legends, with no paper trail. Too many claim to descend from an Indian princess, and then are disappointed when their DNA doesn't show it. And while I still have more I can always learn, after 15 years, I know a lot about my Choctaw relatives. Their stories sadden me, inspire me, and make me proud. There is no royalty in my heritage, but there was an elite class among the Choctaws, and I have the honor and privilege to descend from it. Yet, I suspect if you were to be able to ask Margaret today, she would huff, and say, she was no Indian Princess. She was Choctaw.
Tuesday, March 1, 2016
Deep Roots
I never did spend much time researching my grandmother's father's family. I spent years working on her mother's English roots, and a lot of time trying to find her Paxton's in England, but the Hinds family, well, I had the book by Frank A Hinds and that seemed to be all I needed. Until I did DNA. What I discovered when I really looked and researched that branch, was roots deeper into the American story than all but two of my father's families. Of course my grandfather's native roots trump the Colonial any day, but I was amazed at how far back most of my grandmother's tree went.I had thought about talking about my American Revolution patriots, but heck, why bother, when I can talk about the first settlers in this new world. On Dad's side we have the Copeland and Brunson family alone who began their journey here by the mid 17th century. But on mom's, the list is much longer.
Here is a list of the Colonial Ancestor's of my great great grandfather, Leeroy Edwin Hinds. This list only includes known ancestors who arrived by 1650. For those of you rusty on your history, Jamestown was founded in Virginia in 1607. Plymouth, Massachusetts was found in 1620.
Robert Earle arrived 1638 to Rhode Island.
Thomas Newhall the first white child born in Lynn, Massachussetts around 1630. His father Thomas died in 1674 and his wife Mary who came from England.
Robert Carr, age 21 in 1635 and younger brother Caleb, age 11, came to America on the ship "Elizabeth Ann". They settled in Rhode Island with their Uncle, William Carr.
Thomas Whittemore, emigrated to Malden, Massachussets where he died in 1661. He emigrated about 1650.
Richard Mellens became a freeman at Mass. Bay in 1639. His wife was Mary. He moved to Charles Town, Mass.
William Bassett arrived on the second ship to Plymouth in 1621. He was involved in a lot of the colonial government.
Nathaniel Tilden was at Plymouth in 1634. He died there in 1641. His wife came with him.
Thomas Lapham came also on the Hercules in 1634. He died in Plymouth in 1644.
Thomas Richardson of Woburn became a freeman in 1638 but arrived around 1632. He died in 1651. His wife Mary joined the church before him. Her maiden name is unclear.
Israel Reed born in 1642 in Scituate, Plymouth, Mass. Wife Mary Kendall was born in 1650 in Woburn, Mass. Her father, Robert Kendall helped to form Woburn, he arrived around 1640.
Edmond Goodenow arrived in 1638 settled Sudbury, Massachusetts.
John Moore settled in Sudbury by 1642. Wife was Dorothy Wright (? Widow) ancestor twice.
John Bent emigrated in 1638 and settled in Sudbury.
Hugh Drury settled in Sudbury by 1641.
Edmund Rice settled in Sudbury by 1645. Ancestor twice.
Peter Weare arrived in 1638. He ended up in Maine but started in Massachusetts.
John Stone arrived in Sudbury by 1643.
James Hinds arrived in Salem, Massachusetts in 1637.
Obadiah Wheeler arrived around 1638 to Concord, Massachusetts, became a freeman in 1641.
Edward Kibbe emigrated by 1637, first to Plymouth then to Boston. His wife Mary (questionable Partridge) may have been born in Massachusetts.
Here is a list of the Colonial Ancestor's of my great great grandfather, Leeroy Edwin Hinds. This list only includes known ancestors who arrived by 1650. For those of you rusty on your history, Jamestown was founded in Virginia in 1607. Plymouth, Massachusetts was found in 1620.
Robert Earle arrived 1638 to Rhode Island.
Thomas Newhall the first white child born in Lynn, Massachussetts around 1630. His father Thomas died in 1674 and his wife Mary who came from England.
Robert Carr, age 21 in 1635 and younger brother Caleb, age 11, came to America on the ship "Elizabeth Ann". They settled in Rhode Island with their Uncle, William Carr.
Thomas Whittemore, emigrated to Malden, Massachussets where he died in 1661. He emigrated about 1650.
Richard Mellens became a freeman at Mass. Bay in 1639. His wife was Mary. He moved to Charles Town, Mass.
William Bassett arrived on the second ship to Plymouth in 1621. He was involved in a lot of the colonial government.
Nathaniel Tilden was at Plymouth in 1634. He died there in 1641. His wife came with him.
Thomas Lapham came also on the Hercules in 1634. He died in Plymouth in 1644.
Thomas Richardson of Woburn became a freeman in 1638 but arrived around 1632. He died in 1651. His wife Mary joined the church before him. Her maiden name is unclear.
Israel Reed born in 1642 in Scituate, Plymouth, Mass. Wife Mary Kendall was born in 1650 in Woburn, Mass. Her father, Robert Kendall helped to form Woburn, he arrived around 1640.
Edmond Goodenow arrived in 1638 settled Sudbury, Massachusetts.
John Moore settled in Sudbury by 1642. Wife was Dorothy Wright (? Widow) ancestor twice.
John Bent emigrated in 1638 and settled in Sudbury.
Hugh Drury settled in Sudbury by 1641.
Edmund Rice settled in Sudbury by 1645. Ancestor twice.
Peter Weare arrived in 1638. He ended up in Maine but started in Massachusetts.
John Stone arrived in Sudbury by 1643.
James Hinds arrived in Salem, Massachusetts in 1637.
Obadiah Wheeler arrived around 1638 to Concord, Massachusetts, became a freeman in 1641.
Edward Kibbe emigrated by 1637, first to Plymouth then to Boston. His wife Mary (questionable Partridge) may have been born in Massachusetts.
The Long family of Culpeper County - American Revolution patriots
I decided to work on this family last week when a new DNA match led me to look at some of the families I hadn't really worked on. One of the things I quickly figured out is that there is a lot of published information in the D.A.R. and other places that is incorrect. I say that because there is a paper trail.
Sarah Ann Owens the wife of John Sanders Barnes was the daughter of John J. Owens and Lucinda Long. Lucinda Long is a daughter of Evans Long and Lucinda "Lucy" Apperson. The estate records for Lucy Apperson's father clearly connect Evans Long to her. What comes into question is the parents of Evans Long. After looking into the family, every child used the name Evans, so the DAR histories made little sense. And then I did a google search and found it here.
Amelia Co, VA WB 2:157) September 12, 1773 - No probate date. Will of Anne STERN. Legatees: Daughters: Mary LONG; Tabitha STERN; Sarah MEREDITH and her children [not named]. Sons: John EVANS; Francis STERN and his children [not named]. Grandchildren: Allen JETER; Rodofel JETER; Tabitha JETER; MASON JETER; Jane JETER. Sons-in-law Ambrose JETER and Sampson MEREDITH.
(Amelia Co, VA DB 9:175) Re Ann STERN'S estate, mention is made of Negroes in possession of Reuben LONG of Culpeper County.
Executors: Brother Francis ANDERSON and daughter Tabitha STERN, Wit: Christopher FORD and Richard ANDERSON (Will Book 2, Amelia County, Virginia. Gibson Jefferson McConnaughey)
The reason that the negroes were in the possession of Reuben Long is that he was the husband of Mary Long, and Mary Long was the sister to John Evans, and a daughter by Ann Anderson and her first husband, John Evans.
The Long family often used surnames in their naming patterns. I have no idea why they named a child Mary "Polly" Harrison, unless it was named for Reuben Long's grandmother Margaret Harrison, or if maybe, and it is possible that his mother Elizabeth was also a Harrison. I guess that brings me to some of the newer published rumors on the internet and ancestry.
Reuben Long the father of Evans Long had four sons in his will, not five. All of these sons did appear to have served in the American Revolution, Evans, Gabriel, Nimrod and Anderson (and yes it is not Andrew). Reuben by YDNA of a Nimrod Long descendant is related not to the Brumford Long group but to the Ware Long group. Looking at the documentation in transcription of estates and deeds, I believe Reuben is the son of Richard Long and his wife Elizabeth.
Richard Long born 1705 and died in 1761 was a son of Gabriel Long and Margaret Harrison. He was mentioned in his grandfather Harrison's will. Gabriel Long was a son of Jeremiah Long and his wife Frances. He had two brothers, Richard Long and John Long. Ware Long, born in 1720 appears to be a grandson of Richard Long. It is important to note that descendants of all three brothers use the same names, and that a son of Brumford Long also is named Reuben, and all of these folks lived in Culpeper county. Earliest records are in Essex county, the families living in Rappahannock.
Margaret Harrison was the daughter of Andrew Harrison and his wife Elinor Long Elliot.
While we know that Nimrod Long got land in Georgia as his bounty land, he did not live there long, he instead moved to I believe Kentucky. Anderson Long moved to Missouri where a pension for him exists for his American Revolution service. Gabriel Long also migrated to Kentucky. The Nicholas Long who moved to Wilkes county along with Evans Long and his sisters and their husbands was probably a cousin, but of which relative I am unsure since the records indicate multiple men of the same generation and name.
The children for Reuben Long and Mary Evans by his will and deeds are sons Gabriel, Nimrod, Evans, and Anderson Long and daughters Mary Polly Harrison Nash, Margaret (Peggy) Kay, and Fanny Richardson.
The children of Richard Long and his wife Elizabeth are Reuben, William, John, James and Gabriel. I have no information on daughters.
Sarah Ann Owens the wife of John Sanders Barnes was the daughter of John J. Owens and Lucinda Long. Lucinda Long is a daughter of Evans Long and Lucinda "Lucy" Apperson. The estate records for Lucy Apperson's father clearly connect Evans Long to her. What comes into question is the parents of Evans Long. After looking into the family, every child used the name Evans, so the DAR histories made little sense. And then I did a google search and found it here.
Amelia Co, VA WB 2:157) September 12, 1773 - No probate date. Will of Anne STERN. Legatees: Daughters: Mary LONG; Tabitha STERN; Sarah MEREDITH and her children [not named]. Sons: John EVANS; Francis STERN and his children [not named]. Grandchildren: Allen JETER; Rodofel JETER; Tabitha JETER; MASON JETER; Jane JETER. Sons-in-law Ambrose JETER and Sampson MEREDITH.
(Amelia Co, VA DB 9:175) Re Ann STERN'S estate, mention is made of Negroes in possession of Reuben LONG of Culpeper County.
Executors: Brother Francis ANDERSON and daughter Tabitha STERN, Wit: Christopher FORD and Richard ANDERSON (Will Book 2, Amelia County, Virginia. Gibson Jefferson McConnaughey)
The reason that the negroes were in the possession of Reuben Long is that he was the husband of Mary Long, and Mary Long was the sister to John Evans, and a daughter by Ann Anderson and her first husband, John Evans.
The Long family often used surnames in their naming patterns. I have no idea why they named a child Mary "Polly" Harrison, unless it was named for Reuben Long's grandmother Margaret Harrison, or if maybe, and it is possible that his mother Elizabeth was also a Harrison. I guess that brings me to some of the newer published rumors on the internet and ancestry.
Reuben Long the father of Evans Long had four sons in his will, not five. All of these sons did appear to have served in the American Revolution, Evans, Gabriel, Nimrod and Anderson (and yes it is not Andrew). Reuben by YDNA of a Nimrod Long descendant is related not to the Brumford Long group but to the Ware Long group. Looking at the documentation in transcription of estates and deeds, I believe Reuben is the son of Richard Long and his wife Elizabeth.
Richard Long born 1705 and died in 1761 was a son of Gabriel Long and Margaret Harrison. He was mentioned in his grandfather Harrison's will. Gabriel Long was a son of Jeremiah Long and his wife Frances. He had two brothers, Richard Long and John Long. Ware Long, born in 1720 appears to be a grandson of Richard Long. It is important to note that descendants of all three brothers use the same names, and that a son of Brumford Long also is named Reuben, and all of these folks lived in Culpeper county. Earliest records are in Essex county, the families living in Rappahannock.
Margaret Harrison was the daughter of Andrew Harrison and his wife Elinor Long Elliot.
While we know that Nimrod Long got land in Georgia as his bounty land, he did not live there long, he instead moved to I believe Kentucky. Anderson Long moved to Missouri where a pension for him exists for his American Revolution service. Gabriel Long also migrated to Kentucky. The Nicholas Long who moved to Wilkes county along with Evans Long and his sisters and their husbands was probably a cousin, but of which relative I am unsure since the records indicate multiple men of the same generation and name.
The children for Reuben Long and Mary Evans by his will and deeds are sons Gabriel, Nimrod, Evans, and Anderson Long and daughters Mary Polly Harrison Nash, Margaret (Peggy) Kay, and Fanny Richardson.
The children of Richard Long and his wife Elizabeth are Reuben, William, John, James and Gabriel. I have no information on daughters.
Gleanings from Gates County- the Saunders family and the King family
While the ancestors of Jesse Sanders can be connected, those of Henry and Joseph Sanders (an internet source has the father as Charles Saunders who was in the same militia unit as the King family) cannot. A census of 1785 shows that by then Sarah King Sanders was already a widow. She actually owned quite a lot of property. She willed her estate to her three sons Benjamin, Henry and Joseph and to a daughter, Elizabeth Crawford.
Sarah King Sanders mentions land she devises as land she received from her father Henry King. There is actually a few sites devoted to this King family. Henry King (the father of Sarah King's) death is recorded in the will of his nephew Solomon King. Solomon King also wrote he was the grandson of William King and that his grandfather was Michael King and his grandmother's name (though not his grandmothers). Records for Michael King and his prodigy begin in Nansemond County, Virginia where he was brought over as a bonded servant by Edward King.
Estate records for Henry King are missing, but there are deeds to some of his children recorded in Chowan county, one of them is Sarah King Sanders. Henry King died in 1771. Sarah King Sanders died in 1803. Shortly after her son Benjamin died, he had no children. In 1807 Henry Sanders died and in 1808 Joseph Sanders died.
Thomas Barnes was the executor of the estates of most of this family, which is why I believe that this is the most likely family for the mother of John Sanders Barnes to have come from. Since Thomas Barnes was the guardian of the minor children of both Henry and Joseph. We do know that Joseph Sanders was married to Miriam Sanders, a daughter of Jesse Sanders who died in 1809. They had only one child, a daughter Mary who is named in the will of Jesse Sanders as Mary Cross (she had married Elijah Cross).
Elijah Cross did sue the estate of Mary "Polly" Sanders, the daughter of Henry in 1819. He wanted a share since the land of Sarah had been divided between the heirs of Joseph and Henry. However, he wouldn't have had a right to it (it was a decade later), and I am not sure at all why John wasn't mentioned. But since the only Mary related to Lawrence and Jesse is the daughter of Joseph (through her mother), and she's the wife of Elijah Cross, I really don't think there is another Mary to be the mother of John Sanders.
Estate records for Henry show that some if not all of his children were illegitimate. No marriage exists for him that I can find until the year of his death. His eldest daughter was married to Stoh Beazley alias Watson, her name was Abbie or Abigail. His son, William is listed as both Saunders and Beasley in records, and then there is Nancy and Mary "Polly" Saunders or Beazley. The guardian for these children, along with Mary the daughter of Joseph Saunders/Sanders was Thomas Barnes. Mary the daughter of Joseph Sanders was married to Elijah Cross by 1811, but Mary the daughter of Henry was still a minor at that time. Sarah Saunders land was bordered by Jethro Summers and Jesse Sanders. Jesse Sanders did have a daughter Mary but she was married to Samuel Sharlock by 1811. None of the grandchildren of Jesse except for the daughter of Miriam (and Joseph) was named Mary.
There are two marriage bonds for a Mary Saunders, one signed by Thomas Barnes in 1815 with Samuel Darden and another, undated but from 1817-1820 per transcribers, to James Barnes. Apparently though, the earlier marriage didn't occur. We do find Samuel Darden purchasing items at Thomas Barnes estate, but he is no where else in any records for the county or nearby counties that I can find. James Barnes, the son of Richard Barnes apparently moved to Nansemond county. It is possible he married our Mary, but by all accounts it appears she was dead by 1820.
The sales of the estates do show that both Sanders families interacted. Whether or not they are, and they probably were, related I cannot yet determine.
It is interesting to note that Charles King, the first cousin of Sarah King Sanders was married to a daughter of Thomas Barnes Sr. This family, and the family of Amelia "Millie" Parker interacted by the estate records and moved to Bertie County.
Sarah King Sanders mentions land she devises as land she received from her father Henry King. There is actually a few sites devoted to this King family. Henry King (the father of Sarah King's) death is recorded in the will of his nephew Solomon King. Solomon King also wrote he was the grandson of William King and that his grandfather was Michael King and his grandmother's name (though not his grandmothers). Records for Michael King and his prodigy begin in Nansemond County, Virginia where he was brought over as a bonded servant by Edward King.
Estate records for Henry King are missing, but there are deeds to some of his children recorded in Chowan county, one of them is Sarah King Sanders. Henry King died in 1771. Sarah King Sanders died in 1803. Shortly after her son Benjamin died, he had no children. In 1807 Henry Sanders died and in 1808 Joseph Sanders died.
Thomas Barnes was the executor of the estates of most of this family, which is why I believe that this is the most likely family for the mother of John Sanders Barnes to have come from. Since Thomas Barnes was the guardian of the minor children of both Henry and Joseph. We do know that Joseph Sanders was married to Miriam Sanders, a daughter of Jesse Sanders who died in 1809. They had only one child, a daughter Mary who is named in the will of Jesse Sanders as Mary Cross (she had married Elijah Cross).
Elijah Cross did sue the estate of Mary "Polly" Sanders, the daughter of Henry in 1819. He wanted a share since the land of Sarah had been divided between the heirs of Joseph and Henry. However, he wouldn't have had a right to it (it was a decade later), and I am not sure at all why John wasn't mentioned. But since the only Mary related to Lawrence and Jesse is the daughter of Joseph (through her mother), and she's the wife of Elijah Cross, I really don't think there is another Mary to be the mother of John Sanders.
Estate records for Henry show that some if not all of his children were illegitimate. No marriage exists for him that I can find until the year of his death. His eldest daughter was married to Stoh Beazley alias Watson, her name was Abbie or Abigail. His son, William is listed as both Saunders and Beasley in records, and then there is Nancy and Mary "Polly" Saunders or Beazley. The guardian for these children, along with Mary the daughter of Joseph Saunders/Sanders was Thomas Barnes. Mary the daughter of Joseph Sanders was married to Elijah Cross by 1811, but Mary the daughter of Henry was still a minor at that time. Sarah Saunders land was bordered by Jethro Summers and Jesse Sanders. Jesse Sanders did have a daughter Mary but she was married to Samuel Sharlock by 1811. None of the grandchildren of Jesse except for the daughter of Miriam (and Joseph) was named Mary.
There are two marriage bonds for a Mary Saunders, one signed by Thomas Barnes in 1815 with Samuel Darden and another, undated but from 1817-1820 per transcribers, to James Barnes. Apparently though, the earlier marriage didn't occur. We do find Samuel Darden purchasing items at Thomas Barnes estate, but he is no where else in any records for the county or nearby counties that I can find. James Barnes, the son of Richard Barnes apparently moved to Nansemond county. It is possible he married our Mary, but by all accounts it appears she was dead by 1820.
The sales of the estates do show that both Sanders families interacted. Whether or not they are, and they probably were, related I cannot yet determine.
It is interesting to note that Charles King, the first cousin of Sarah King Sanders was married to a daughter of Thomas Barnes Sr. This family, and the family of Amelia "Millie" Parker interacted by the estate records and moved to Bertie County.
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